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epidemic. >> i have to say, julian, i'm relieved you mentioned europe. if i had done that i would be told to go back to britain. i was born in a country and lived for over 30 years in a country where there are very strict laws and as a consequence firearms are not used to resolve domestic disputes, arguments between partners, and so on. whereas having lived here for the last almost nine years, i have become -- it's almost commonplace this kind of event. >> in the uk i think the deaths in the last year or so were 60 gun-related homicides in the entire year. in a country that has very, very strong gun control legislation. compare that to 30 a day, 200 a week, 11,000 a year. i mean, the data is just overwhelming in this case. >> and yet, joan, notwithstanding what julian has just said, in places like michigan the legislature has actually promoted bills which allow people to carry concealed weapons into church, onto school premises, into colleges. >> right. >> notwithstanding the evidence. >> notwithstanding the evidence, and they did that right after the clackamas shooting which also use ass
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